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TERRY GROSS, HOST:

That is FRESH AIR. I am Terry Gross. This week, we’re that includes a few of our favourite music interviews from our archive. As we speak, we’ll hear an interview with singer and songwriter Rosanne Money. She began out recording nation music, had a number of No. 1 hits and gained a Grammy however then left Nashville and established herself as a singer-songwriter on the planet of indie rock. Since then, Money has labored throughout many musical genres, together with nation, rock, folks, pop and American roots. She’s gained 4 Grammys and was nominated for 12 others. In 1973, when she was 18, her father, Johnny Money, gave her an inventory of 100 important nation songs he thought she wanted to know. On the time, she was extra concerned with writing her personal songs than deciphering the songs of others. However in 2009, she returned to her father’s record and recorded 12 of the songs on it. I spoke together with her when that album, known as “The Listing,” was launched. We began with a tune from the album, a tune known as “Sea Of Heartbreak.” Bruce Springsteen sings on this one.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “SEA OF HEARTBREAK”)

ROSANNE CASH: (Singing) The lights within the harbor do not shine for me. And I am like a misplaced ship adrift on the ocean…

ROSANNE CASH AND BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN: (Singing) The ocean of heartbreak, misplaced love and loneliness, recollections of your caress, so divine, I want you have been mine once more, my pricey. I am on the ocean of tears, the ocean of heartbreak

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED NPR BROADCAST)

GROSS: Rosanne Money, welcome again to FRESH AIR.

CASH: Effectively, thanks, Terry.

GROSS: Inform me why you wished to report this report. We’ll get to the entire record in a second. However of all of the songs on “The Listing,” why “Sea Of Heartbreak?”?

CASH: Why this – why “Sea Of Heartbreak”? It is sort of a superbly constructed nation tune. And it was on the record, so, you already know, that gave me permission. And it is – it embodies that longing that’s in a lot of nation music actually, very well. And past that, it takes a metaphor and carries it to the very finish with out breaking that narrative in regards to the metaphor, with out changing into kitschy, which plenty of songs do. And that is sort of excellent to me. And it is also – it makes it a little bit of a interval piece since you do not hear many trendy songs that try this. And there is additionally some language in it that is not trendy. You already know, when he says divine and my pricey, these are sort of old-school methods of speaking, and I actually take pleasure in that. So it was like stepping right into a interval piece. On the identical time, it has the hallmark of each nice tune, which is that it transcends time. It has a timeless high quality to it, and it feels very trendy.

GROSS: It is superb. The lyric was written by Hal David, who wrote the lyrics for therefore many Burt Bacharach songs. So he is not precisely Mr. Nation Music, Mr. Nashville (laughter).

CASH: No. And, you already know, I actually thought that Don Gibson had written it – as a result of he had the early, definitive model of the tune – after which came upon that Hal David and Paul Hampton wrote it in New York. It was an enormous shock.

GROSS: Your father has an excellent recording of this.

CASH: He does. You already know, not being disloyal, however I’ve to say, I nonetheless choose the Don Gibson model. And, you already know, my dad recorded his model with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers on “Unchained,” and he might need been a little bit too energized from Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers.

(LAUGHTER)

GROSS: Now you may have Bruce Springsteen singing with you on this one. Is he a good friend?

CASH: No, I could not name him a good friend. I’ve met him a number of instances over time, however it could be presumptuous to say he is a good friend.

GROSS: Why did you ask him to duet on this tune?

CASH: As a result of he is only a dream date, Terry.

(LAUGHTER)

CASH: We knew we wished to do a duet, so I did my half on “Sea Of Heartbreak.” We go, God, who’s the proper individual to ask to sing on this tune? Who’s, like, the embodiment of American romantic male voice? Effectively, that may be Bruce Springsteen. So we requested him.

GROSS: And he stated sure.

CASH: He stated sure. I believed, oh, there is a 50/50 likelihood Bruce will do it. After which, you already know, he knew the tune. He’d acquired the idea of the record. He is so steeped in nation music, anyway, and roots music. So it was a simple factor for him, I believe.

GROSS: So let’s get the story of the record. Your album is named “The Listing,” and there is a story behind it. So would you inform the story?

CASH: Yeah. After I was 18 years outdated, I went on the street with my dad after I graduated from highschool. And we have been driving on the tour bus sooner or later, sort of rolling by way of the south, and he talked about a tune. We began speaking about songs, and he talked about one, and I stated, I do not know that one. And he talked about one other. I stated, I do not know that one both, Dad. And he turned very alarmed that I did not know what he thought of my very own musical family tree. And I used to be very steeped in pop and rock music, and I grew up in Southern California. So he spent the remainder of the afternoon making an inventory for me. And on the finish of the day, he stated, that is your schooling. And throughout the highest of the web page, he wrote 100 important nation songs. The record might need been higher titled “100 Important American Songs” as a result of it was very complete. He lined each essential level in Southern and American music, early folks songs, protest songs, Delta blues, Southern gospel, early nation music, Appalachian. The whole lot that fed into trendy nation music was on that record. So his overview was actually of a musicologist however fashioned by his instincts, you already know, and simply the rhythm in his personal blood. So I noticed when he gave me the record on the age of 18 that this was an vital doc, and I set about studying these songs. Nevertheless it took me, I believe, till now to understand that he was actually giving me himself, part of his coronary heart and soul.

GROSS: Whenever you say you went about studying these songs, did you get the sheet music or get the information? How did you study them?

CASH: All I needed to do was get my dad (laughter) as a result of he had all of them at his fingertips. You would say, properly, how does this one go? And he’d decide up a guitar and sing it to me. After which some I knew the information, you already know. Like, I had identified Ray Charles’ “Take These Chains From My Coronary heart” since childhood. I had identified Patsy Cline “She’s Bought You” since childhood. Others I discovered the information for.

GROSS: So that you lastly realized later in life that your father had given you a bit of himself and a bit of his personal sort of genetic make-up when he gave you this record of 100 songs. However when he gave you that record, did you instantly suppose, thanks, Dad, or was it extra like, thanks, Dad?

CASH: Like an 18-year-old would do?

GROSS: Yeah.

CASH: No, I – you already know, if he had given it to me even a pair years earlier, I might need stated, oh, yeah, eye roll, thanks, Dad. However I wished this. I wished him. You already know, my mother and father have been divorced. I used to be simply socking on this nice time with my dad, who was clear and sober. So I wished that have of loving what he liked and studying about his life. Additionally I used to be simply beginning to write songs, so this was a template for me. These are wonderful songs. He wrote the record as a songwriter. So I had that template for excellent songwriting. It was thrilling to me.

GROSS: Now, do you continue to have that piece of paper that the record was on?

CASH: I do. I discovered it once more in 2000 – late 2005, after I was writing the narratives for my final report. It was “Black Cadillac,” and I wrote narratives for the present. And I discovered the record in 2005, and I believed, properly, this may make a pleasant topic for a story for the “Black Cadillac” present, by no means pondering something greater than that. And I wrote this narrative, and it began after I was 18 years outdated. My dad gave me this record. Effectively, everyone began coming as much as me saying, the place’s that record? When are you going to report that record? It turned humorous.

GROSS: So what did you do with the piece of paper now? Is it, like, framed? Is it preserved? The place do you retain it?

CASH: I hold it in my recordsdata. It isn’t framed. It isn’t – you already know, I wish to do the suitable factor with the precise record sooner or later, however I do not wish to simply publish it on the web or, you already know, give it away but partly as a result of I wish to do Quantity 2.

(LAUGHTER)

CASH: And I do not need anybody else to do Quantity 2.

GROSS: Effectively, I wish to play one other tune from the record, and this can be a nice tune. I really like this tune that Patsy Cline made well-known. It is known as “She’s Bought You.” And of all of the songs on the record, why did you wish to do that one?

CASH: Effectively, it is a traditional nation tune. Anybody who is aware of nation music is aware of this tune. Sadly, in addition they know Patsy Cline’s model, which is so iconic that I had some hassle getting previous that to really report it myself. However you already know, what’s nice about this tune, too, is that it is a record. Within the tune is listed all of the issues that the opposite lady has. So it is a record inside the record.

GROSS: Oh, proper.

(LAUGHTER)

GROSS: Yeah. And, I assume, what do you do to place your self within the temper to really feel the tune? I imply, you are married. You already know what I imply? Like, you are not…

CASH: Yeah.

GROSS: You are not a youngster anymore. You are married, so – properly, perhaps that is a presumptuous query. Possibly I ought to simply drop that ‘trigger…

CASH: No, I do know what you are saying. However, you already know, ardour is just not reserved for younger folks. And I believe that my sensitivity to music has really deepened and expanded as I’ve gotten older. You add extra life expertise. You already know, the music will get filtered by way of all of that. And that is lovely. After I began singing this tune, like I stated, I needed to get Patsy Cline off my shoulder a bit to even strategy the tune. So as soon as I began singing it, I – and it sort of dawned on me. Oh, that is why this tune has been lined so many instances. This can be a nice tune.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “SHE’S GOT YOU”)

CASH: (Singing) I’ve acquired your image that you simply gave to me. And it is signed with love identical to it was once. The one factor totally different, the one factor new – I’ve acquired your image, she’s acquired you. I’ve acquired the information that we used to share. And so they nonetheless sound the identical as whenever you have been right here. The one factor totally different, the one factor new – I’ve acquired the information, she’s acquired you. I’ve acquired your reminiscence. Or has it acquired me? I actually do not know, however I do know it will not let me be. I’ve acquired your class ring…

GROSS: That is my visitor, Rosanne Money, singing “She’s Bought You,” a tune made well-known by Patsy Cline, a tune featured on Rosanne Money’s CD known as “The Listing,” which is songs chosen from the record of 100 important songs that her father, Johnny Money, gave to her when she was 18.

When your father gave you that record, whenever you have been 18, how deep have been you into nation music?

CASH: Not very. I used to be, you already know, president of my Beatles fan membership after I was 11.

GROSS: (Laughter) Actually?

CASH: (Laughter) Sure, I used to be, certainly. And I, like, you already know…

GROSS: Is that this the place I ask who your favourite Beatle was?

CASH: Effectively, John (laughter).

GROSS: OK, good (laughter).

CASH: And I – you already know, I grew up in Southern California. I used to be very well-versed in Southern California pop and rock and Buffalo Springfield and Neil Younger and Elton John and Janis Joplin after which Joni Mitchell, which is the primary time I noticed {that a} lady might be a songwriter. So I had, after all, heard what my mother and father performed round the home and heard the musicians my dad drug dwelling off the street. And my mom listened to plenty of Ray Charles and Marty Robbins and Patsy Cline. So I acquired that in by osmosis as properly. However so far as doing a critical immersion in it, like I had completed with the Beatles, no, I had not completed that.

GROSS: My visitor is Rosanne Money. We’ll discuss extra after a break. That is FRESH AIR.

(SOUNDBITE OF ROSANNE CASH SONG, “MOTHERLESS CHILDREN”)

GROSS: That is FRESH AIR. Let’s get again to my interview with singer and songwriter Rosanne Money. We spoke in 2009 when she launched her album “The Listing.” It featured 12 songs from the record of 100 important nation songs that her father, Johnny Money, made for her.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED NPR BROADCAST)

GROSS: You’ve got had this record of 100 nation music songs that your father gave you because you have been 18. So you have had this for the reason that early ’70s.

CASH: ’73.

GROSS: Why now? Why report them now?

CASH: Oh. That is an excellent query. In reality, I resisted it for the primary 12 months that John began speaking about it. Effectively, for lots of causes – one, I did have a chip on my shoulder after I was youthful. I’m going to do that my means. No person’s ever going to have the ability to say that I traded on my dad’s title. It was a big shadow. I wished out of it. And I in all probability carried the chip longer than was gracious (laughter). It is OK whenever you’re in your 20s. It isn’t OK whenever you’re in your 40s. So it was partly that, my knee-jerk response in opposition to doing something that traded on my dad’s title. Then I began to understand, that is my record. He gave this to me. This was private. This was like if he was a martial arts grasp and was passing on a secret to his baby. You already know, it belongs to me. So after I began to really feel myself take possession of it, psychologically, then I began excited about recording the songs. And the opposite half is, I do not suppose I may have completed this till I misplaced my mother and father, till they died.

GROSS: I used to be pondering you would possibly really feel that means as a result of – is it as a result of they owned the songs?

CASH: Effectively, in the event that they did, they handed them on. Nevertheless it’s additionally since you’re not – properly, I wasn’t so concerned with legacy till they have been gone. I wasn’t so concerned with what they left me till they weren’t right here to inform me about it. And, you already know, at this level, I had a extremely critical well being downside myself, you already know, a face-off with my very own mortality. You begin excited about these issues. What did my mother and father depart me? What’s in my DNA? What am I going to go away my children? And these songs are a part of my cells in a means. They’re a part of my DNA. And they’re what I wish to depart my very own children.

GROSS: You talked about that you simply had your personal brush with mortality. And I do know that you simply had mind surgical procedure.

CASH: Proper.

GROSS: How way back was this?

CASH: It was November 27.

GROSS: Would you clarify what the issue was that necessitated the surgical procedure?

CASH: I had a structural abnormality in my mind I’ll have been born with. My neurosurgeon wasn’t positive. And it simply acquired worse as I acquired older till I used to be changing into debilitated by complications. So that they did not actually uncover what it was till 2007, earlier in 2007. After which he stated, you already know, there is not any benefit in ready to repair this; it’s worthwhile to maintain this. So I had mind surgical procedure. And, you already know, it is not for the faint of coronary heart, by the best way (laughter).

GROSS: And any time any individual enters your mind for surgical procedure, it is actually, actually dangerous.

CASH: Yeah.

GROSS: Had been you terrified earlier than the surgical procedure?

CASH: I ready myself psychologically. I – you already know, I did hypnosis tapes, and I did simply plenty of reflection and speaking about it and getting ready as a result of I knew how scary it was. And actually, that is why my neurosurgeon stated to attend, you already know, six weeks or one thing. He stated, it’s worthwhile to put together your self psychologically. So I acquired it when he instructed me that it was going to be powerful, and it was a protracted restoration. So, you already know, I did my work sufficient beforehand that I walked into the OR laughing with my anesthesiologist, making jokes (laughter) and singing “If I Solely Had A Mind.”

(LAUGHTER)

CASH: My morbid humorousness actually acquired me by way of this, I’ve to say.

GROSS: What in regards to the restoration on the opposite finish? I imply, you are so steeped in your senses, in – you already know, in writing, which you do plenty of, each songs and books. You are finishing a memoir now.

CASH: Yeah.

GROSS: In listening, which you do plenty of. In singing. So, I imply, have been your senses altered in a means that was both fascinating or disturbing after the surgical procedure, throughout the interval of restoration?

CASH: Oh, that is an excellent query, and no person has thought to ask me that query. And the reality is that they have been. I had the listening to of a canine for about two months (laughter).

GROSS: Wait. What does that imply? That…

CASH: I imply, it was – my listening to was so delicate that – you already know, I dwell in Manhattan. I could not go outdoors for a month. It was so intense. However the factor I used to be afraid of did not occur, which is my expertise of music. And I had written this letter to Oliver Sacks earlier than I went into surgical procedure. I had met him at a celebration the 12 months earlier than. And so I wrote him, and I instructed him my downside. And I stated, do you suppose that my expertise of music goes to be altered? Will I lose my sensitivity to music or my skill to play it? And he wrote me again essentially the most lovely, typewritten letter that was hand-corrected in ink. And it mainly stated, my – he stated, my experience is with the cortex, and your downside is with the cerebellum, so I am unable to actually enable you, however I do have an inkling of how vital that is to you.

(LAUGHTER)

CASH: I liked that. That is the letter I will body.

GROSS: Singer and songwriter Rosanne Money, recorded in 2009. We’ll hear extra of our interview after a break, as we proceed our weeklong collection of a few of our favourite interviews with musicians from the archive. I am Terry Gross, and that is FRESH AIR.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “MISS THE MISSISSIPPI AND YOU”)

CASH: (Singing) I am rising uninterested in the big-city lights, uninterested in the glamor and uninterested in the sights. In all of my goals, I’m roaming as soon as extra again to my dwelling on the outdated river shore. I’m unhappy and weary, far-off from dwelling. Miss the Mississippi and also you, pricey. Days are darkish and dreary all over the place I roam. Miss the Mississippi and also you. Roaming the extensive…

GROSS: That is FRESH AIR. I am Terry Gross, again with extra of my interview with singer and songwriter Rosanne Money, identified for her work in nation indie rock, folks and American roots music. She’s been awarded Grammys and Gold Data and has been inducted into the Nashville Songwriters Corridor of Fame. We spoke in 2009, when her album, “The Listing,” was launched. It featured 12 songs from the record of 100 important nation songs that her father, Johnny Money, compiled for her. He made it in 1973, when she was 18 and on the street with him. Once we left off, we have been speaking about how she had recovered from mind surgical procedure she had undergone to appropriate a structural abnormality. The surgical procedure was in 2007, a few years earlier than our interview was recorded.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED NPR BROADCAST)

GROSS: You already know, you talked about that earlier than the surgical procedure, you had complications, like, actually extreme complications. I discover that the one time after I cannot take pleasure in music, after I need nothing to do with music is when I’ve a nasty headache. And after I consider you going by way of – was it lengthy interval, proper, whenever you had these dangerous complications? How did you do music? Did you may have any room in your head the place it was pleasurable to make or hearken to music?

CASH: That is fascinating. I listened to much more classical music within the two years earlier than the surgical procedure as a result of it appeared – it was extra soothing to me. And, you already know, I may digest it higher. However plenty of instances, singing, enjoying music myself, I’d transfer out of the headache. You already know, it could simply dissolve. That is an fascinating factor about music. You already know, folks say it is very therapeutic. It is extremely therapeutic, actually.

GROSS: Effectively, I believe we should always hear one other tune out of your new CD, “The Listing.” And I believed this is perhaps a great place to listen to “500 Miles.” And I’ve to say – I used to be telling you this earlier than we began the interview – if I went by way of the remainder of my life and each listening to this tune once more, I might be tremendous, I believed, till I heard your model. You already know, I believe so many people know the Peter, Paul and Mary model, which we heard so many instances. And after I was studying folks guitar and doing a horrible job at it, this was one of many songs that I realized to bloodbath, which is a part of the rationale why I may undergo the remainder of my life not listening to it once more. However you do that, like, desolate model of it. And…

CASH: Yeah. The lyrics are desolate.

GROSS: They’re desolate, however – and your husband is enjoying organ behind you. And it is this actually, like, eerie, lonely organ. It virtually sounds prefer it’s being performed backwards. It is simply so odd. And it is actually only a haunting model.

CASH: Effectively, we wished to get it very churchy, and we wished to deliver out the entire loneliness of the lyrics, as a result of the lyrics are actually unhappy. And I knew Bobby Bear’s model higher than I knew Peter, Paul and Mary’s model. And Bobby Bear’s model was a lot sadder, and I believe we even took it a step additional.

GROSS: OK. Effectively, let’s hear it. And that is my visitor, Rosanne Money, singing “500 Miles.” Her husband, John Leventhal, is enjoying organ behind, her and he performs plenty of the devices and did the arranging for the CD. It is from the album “The Listing,” which options songs from an inventory of 100 important American songs that her father, Johnny Money, gave her when she was 18. So this is “500 Miles.”

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “500 MILES”)

CASH: (Singing) Should you miss the prepare I am on, then you definately’ll know that I’ve gone. You possibly can hear the whistle blow – 100 miles, 100 miles, 100 miles, 100 miles, 100 miles. You possibly can hear the whistle blow – 100 miles. Teardrops fell on momma’s be aware after I learn the issues she dominated. She stated, we miss you, hon. We love you. Come on dwelling. Effectively, I did not should pack. I had all of it proper on my again. Now I am 500 miles away from dwelling. However I am yet another down. Lord, I am one. Lord, I am two. Lord, I am three. Lord, I am 4. Lord, I am 500 miles away from dwelling.

GROSS: That is Rosanne Money from her CD, “The Listing,” which options songs from an inventory of 100 important songs that her father, Johnny Money, gave her. You already know, earlier than listening to that tune, we have been speaking in regards to the mind surgical procedure that you simply had. And I used to be questioning what you have turned to in recent times to only sort of offer you energy. And simply to fill listeners in, it has been a troublesome few years. You misplaced your mom. You misplaced your father. You misplaced your stepmother, June Carter Money. There have been three years the place you can barely communicate and could not sing due to polyps in your vocal cords. After which there was the mind surgical procedure that we talked about.

It has been a tough interval. And when folks undergo tough instances, I imply, some folks flip to faith. Some folks flip to medication or alcohol. Some folks don’t have anything to show to. Some individuals are misplaced. Some folks discover this interior energy. your father, I imply, there’s been instances and there have been instances in your father’s life when he turned to medication or capsules. And – however by way of all his life, I believe he had a way of Jesus in his life. Your mom was, I believe, a fairly religious Catholic.

CASH: She was.

GROSS: Yeah. So what about you? Like, what have you ever had that has stored you – acquired you thru all of this?

CASH: Effectively, I adhere to the faith of artwork and music and young children (laughter) – the pronouncements of young children. I, you already know, I am not the kind to show to faith in that means. I am not the kind to show to medication and alcohol. However I do have a profound devotion to artwork and music and kids. And people three issues, in addition to the love of my husband, who’s a tremendous accomplice. And, you already know, in the event you ever have mind surgical procedure, you wish to name him as much as do the entire vetting of the neurosurgeons and all of that enterprise ‘trigger he makes an awesome affected person advocate. So…

GROSS: Good. If I am ever making an album, I will name him, too.

(LAUGHTER)

CASH: Oh. That is cute.

GROSS: So that you talked about, you already know, artwork and music as what you flip to as, like – how that is sort of your faith. So what have been a number of the issues that you simply learn or listened to or watched throughout the interval of restoration whenever you wanted that sort of nourishment?

CASH: Joan Didion’s “12 months Of Magical Pondering” was nice. I learn the guide, and I went to see Vanessa Redgrave carry out it. And that was…

GROSS: Oh, wait. Let me cease you proper there.

CASH: OK.

GROSS: That could be a – I really like that guide. It was so onerous to learn it ‘trigger it is all – it is a journal of the 12 months she misplaced her husband. It’s so painful. So when – what was therapeutic about studying that actually painful guide?

CASH: Effectively, I liked it. I discovered – I do know lots of people discovered it actually troublesome and sort of miserable. However I liked her very meticulous documentation of the little moments of madness that occurred throughout grief. You already know, that factor she stated about, properly, it is 3 hours earlier in California, is he lifeless in California but? – I had that feeling and lots of others that you do not inform folks as a result of they’ll suppose you are nuts. And so to see it there on the web page poetically written, I – it was actually nice for me. I liked that.

GROSS: What else?

CASH: What else? Oh, Picasso. Arvo Half, the Estonian musician. I went to see a present in Paris that simply – it rearranged my entire life. It was so nice. It was known as “Melancolie,” and it was 800 years of insanity, despair and despair in artwork.

(LAUGHTER)

CASH: It was incredible.

(LAUGHTER)

CASH: I liked it. I instructed you, I’ve a morbid humorousness.

GROSS: (Laughter).

CASH: Nevertheless it was simply superb, you already know, as a result of we used to precise all of this stuff in artwork, you already know? – the insanity and the despair and the despair. And now we simply medicate it away. Nevertheless it was all there on the canvas, and I simply liked it.

GROSS: Oh, wow. Did you – after grieving on your mother and father, did you undergo a interval feeling such as you have been grieving for your self as a result of your mind was being compromised, your life was in jeopardy, your skill to be who you’re was in jeopardy?

CASH: Yeah. I used to be indignant at my mother and father after I needed to have mind surgical procedure that they weren’t nonetheless round. As a result of irrespective of how outdated you’re, you need your mother and father whenever you’re going by way of…

GROSS: Completely.

CASH: …One thing like that.

GROSS: Yeah.

CASH: And I – yeah. Did I grieve for myself? No. I sort of thought, properly, why not me? I’ve good medical insurance. You already know, I haven’t got to indicate as much as a 9-to-5 job. I – you already know, it – I did not have that feeling of, oh, why me? I by no means had that.

GROSS: You by no means had the sensation of being resentful or envious of everyone else who did not should undergo the mind surgical procedure that you simply have been about to undergo?

CASH: Mmm, no. I do not try this. I do not do comparisons ‘trigger I all the time lose.

(LAUGHTER)

CASH: That is…

GROSS: Is that how you’re feeling?

CASH: Sure, that is precisely how I really feel.

GROSS: So…

CASH: No, however not that I all the time lose. It is that if – the method of evaluating your self to another person, you are setting your self as much as not really feel good. So I do not hassle.

GROSS: Getting again to the record of songs once more that your father gave you, did you like the identical songs on that record after the surgical procedure that you simply liked earlier than? Was there any – did your style change?

CASH: Mmm. I really like them extra now. I really like every little thing extra now. I do know that feels like a cliche, however I do. However I really like these songs a lot, and so they hold getting deeper and broader and extra poetic and extra vigorous for me. Each time I hear them, each time I placed on one of many authentic variations or I get to sing it myself, it is all new. It is superb that it took this lengthy for me to understand what was all the time there, you already know? Like T.S. Eliot stated, you come back dwelling and realize it for the primary time. I really feel like that. I’ve returned dwelling and identified it for the primary time.

GROSS: My visitor is Rosanne Money. We’ll discuss extra after a break. That is FRESH AIR.

(SOUNDBITE OF ROSANNE CASH SONG, “CHANGE PARTNERS”)

GROSS: That is FRESH AIR. Let’s get again to my interview with Rosanne Money. She’s identified for singing her personal songs, however she launched a CD known as “The Listing” on which she sang a number of the songs from the record of 100 important songs that her father, Johnny Money, made for her again in 1973 when she was 18. We spoke when the album “The Listing” was launched in 2009.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED NPR BROADCAST)

GROSS: I wish to play one other tune out of your new album, and I used to be pondering of “Lady From The North Nation.” I believe you do an attractive job of this. Bob Dylan wrote it. It was on his 1969 “Freewheelin'” album – 1962, I imply. What 12 months is it? Extra like ’62, in all probability. And…

CASH: Yeah, it is sooner than ’69.

GROSS: Yeah, I believe it is, like, ’62.

CASH: ‘Trigger they did “Nashville Skyline” in ’69.

GROSS: That was ’69, yeah.

CASH: Yeah.

GROSS: So in ’69, your father recorded it with Dylan on Dylan’s “Nashville Skyline” album. So why did you select this one on your personal?

CASH: This was John’s concept to do that tune. And I do know why it is on the record – as a result of, you already know, my dad made the record in 1973, and he had simply recorded this 4 years earlier with Bob. So it was nonetheless sort of recent to him. It is one of many latest songs on the record. And when John introduced up that concept, I stated, oh, gosh, I am unable to. I am unable to do it. It is virtually sacrilegious. I – not solely do I’ve my dad and Bob’s recorded model in my head, I’ve photos of that session in my head. I wasn’t at that session, however there may be footage of it. And it was simply such a watershed report, too, you already know? I turned the good 14-year-old on the planet when my dad recorded this tune with Bob Dylan. And I stated, I simply cannot try this. It is outdoors of my very own realm.

And John stated, let’s hearken to Bob’s authentic model and strategy it that means. And his authentic model is – it is within the custom of a traditional folks tune that is rooted in Elizabethan music, even. And I acquired to try this outdated folks twist of a girl singing about one other lady, which was nice. I liked that. And as soon as we listened to the unique model and I may strategy it like that, I went, oh, I get it. Yeah. That is attractive.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “GIRL FROM THE NORTH COUNTRY”)

CASH: (Singing) Should you’re touring within the north nation honest, the place the winds hit heavy on the borderline, keep in mind me to the one who lives there. She as soon as was a real love of mine. Should you go when the snowflakes fall, when the rivers freeze and summer season ends, please, see if she has a coat so heat to maintain her from the howling winds.

GROSS: That is Rosanne Money singing Dylan’s “Lady From The North Nation,” from her new CD “The Listing,” which is songs from an inventory of 100 nice American songs, important nation songs, that her father, Johnny Money, gave her when she was 18 years outdated.

You already know, I believe it is actually fascinating that you simply’re doing this album of songs by different folks since you’re greatest referred to as a singer-songwriter. You do your personal songs. And this sort of frees you as much as simply be the singer and the interpreter and in addition to sing different folks’s melodies, which I believe should be sort of refreshing in its personal means.

CASH: Yeah, it’s. It’s. It was a little bit scary at first as a result of I did not ever wish to put my voice entrance and middle, you already know? I used to be a songwriter. That was the torch I carried. That is an honorable occupation. That is what I do. I am a songwriter. My voice simply serves what I am writing about. So to let all that go – I imply, bringing the sensibilities of it, really, to the tune selections – however to only be the interpreter was extremely liberating and actually enjoyable.

GROSS: You already know, it is fascinating that you have completed this album of covers. John Doe did an album of traditional nation covers. Loudon Wainwright simply did an album of Charlie Poole songs. So you already know, the three of you’re well-known as songwriters. And inside a interval of months, you are turning to different folks’s songs. I simply discover that so fascinating. And all of these albums I simply talked about are actually good.

CASH: Effectively, there’s a cannon of American music that perhaps a whole era does not know that properly, you already know, individuals who weren’t round to listen to Patsy Cline’s model of “She’s Bought You” or a tune like “Take These Chains”, or by no means heard Ray Charles’ “Fashionable Sounds In Nation And Western Music” or Hank Snow or any of those folks. So I all the time felt like, you may’t think about the Scots or the Irish with out Celtic music. You possibly can’t think about us, the People, with out these songs. They’re so vital to us. And it could be a tragedy in the event that they have been simply, you already know, you needed to – in the event that they have been simply in a museum, in the event that they have been simply archived someplace, in the event that they weren’t nonetheless being carried out.

GROSS: Oh, I actually agree with you. Once we final spoke, it was 2006, perhaps. And this was after you had began singing once more after your three-year bout of not having the ability to sing due to polyps in your vocal cords. And in that interview, you stated that whenever you had the polyps, you vowed that in the event you recovered that you’d hand over all of the anxiousness that you simply had surrounding singing…

CASH: (Laughing).

GROSS: …And simply sort of take pleasure in singing and luxuriate in, you already know, the skills that you simply had. So did that work out? Have you ever been capable of simply…

CASH: (Laughter).

GROSS: As you have launched this album of you singing different folks’s songs, have you ever been capable of simply take pleasure in singing with out the attendant anxieties?

CASH: I am laughing as a result of I did say that, did not I (laughter)?

GROSS: You probably did.

(LAUGHTER)

CASH: I am glad you jogged my memory (laughter).

GROSS: You are welcome.

CASH: Yeah. I did hand over plenty of the anxiousness. I am not an individual who will ever completely hand over anxiousness. I imply, it sort of fuels my…

GROSS: (Laughter).

CASH: …My every little thing (laughter). However I did cease the criticism. That is what I ended, the self-criticism. You already know, if I miss a be aware, if I am unable to maintain it so long as I need, you already know, if my diaphragm offers away or one thing, I would just go, properly, that is OK. That is all proper, you already know? Human being right here. However I take pleasure in it much more. I do. I did hold that a part of the promise to myself, is that I acquired it again, and I take pleasure in it much more.

GROSS: My visitor is Rosanne Money. We’ll discuss extra after a break. That is FRESH AIR.

(SOUNDBITE OF ROSANNE CASH SONG, “SEVEN YEAR ACHE”)

GROSS: That is FRESH AIR. We’re listening to an interview from our archive with singer and songwriter Rosanne Money. We spoke in 2009 when she launched her album “The Listing,” that includes songs from the record of 100 important nation songs that her father, Johnny Money, compiled for her. He made that record in 1973 when she was 18 and on the street with him. She’s Money’s oldest baby. Her mom was his first spouse.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED NPR BROADCAST)

GROSS: Your father lived his life onstage; your mom did not. The place do you slot in when it comes to consolation degree onstage and when it comes to, like, having a public element of your life?

CASH: That is one thing that I nonetheless wrestle with. My daughter simply made her first report, and it is popping out quickly. She’s 27 years outdated, and he or she has not requested me for any recommendation. She’s wished to do that on her personal. It is historical past repeating itself. However she did name and say, Mother, how do I’ve a profitable profession as a musician with out having a public life? And it sort of broke my coronary heart as a result of that was the precise query I requested at her age. And I stated, I do not know as a result of, you already know, songs will not be full till they’re heard. You already know, you may’t simply do that on your lounge. It is – a part of doing it’s placing it on the market. And, after all, being a performer, that is an entire different factor. However I nonetheless do wrestle with that. And I assume the – I am extra comfy – you understand how Malcolm Gladwell had that 10,000-hour rule – like, in the event you do one thing 10,000 hours, you change into an skilled at it? I really feel like perhaps I am near 10,000 hours.

(LAUGHTER)

CASH: So I am a bit extra comfy. However you are proper. My mom was very, very personal, and my dad lived out his greatest self onstage. So I’ve each of these examples, you already know? Do not inform anyone something, hold to your self, and take every little thing to the stage.

GROSS: Wow. That is actually complicated, is not it?

CASH: It’s. So I’ve needed to work it out for myself. And what I do is each. I’ve an awesome personal life. I do not, you already know, reveal every little thing. I discover that extremely distasteful. And I really like performing.

GROSS: Effectively, I am glad you discovered that consolation zone for your self, that you simply discovered the place the road is. I wish to shut with one other observe from “The Listing,” however since I’ve chosen every little thing thus far, I believed I might be beneficiant and allow you to select one.

(LAUGHTER)

CASH: Would you like one thing unhappy and gradual and ballad-y (ph) or one thing a little bit extra up?

GROSS: I am letting you select.

CASH: OK. “Motherless Youngsters” – this tune is likely one of the oldest songs on “The Listing,” and it was superb how many individuals had completed it, everybody from Billie Vacation to the Louvin Brothers to Eric Clapton. There are various totally different variations, many, many, many verses, too. So John and I needed to type by way of them and sort of make it extra linear, you already know, simply pull 4 verses that may work collectively. And John had simply misplaced his mom a few weeks earlier than we recorded this. So I believe we have been each feeling that sense of loss and being motherless. And I can actually hear it in John’s guitar enjoying on this observe.

GROSS: Rosanne Money, it is simply been fantastic to speak with you once more. Thanks a lot.

CASH: It is my pleasure, Terry. Thanks for having me.

GROSS: My interview with singer and songwriter Rosanne Money was recorded in 2009.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “MOTHERLESS CHILDREN”)

CASH: (Singing) Motherless youngsters have a tough time when the mom is gone. Motherless youngsters have a tough time when the mom is gone. Motherless youngsters have a tough time. There’s all that weeping and all that crying. Motherless youngsters have a tough time when the mom is gone. Father will do one of the best he can when the mom is gone. Father will do one of the best he can when the mom is gone. Father will do one of the best he can, however there’s so many issues he simply do not perceive. Motherless youngsters have a tough time when the mom is gone.

GROSS: Tomorrow on FRESH AIR, extra favourite music interviews from the FRESH AIR archive. We’ll hear Smokey Robinson speaking about writing hits like “Store Round” and “You Actually Bought A Maintain On Me” and beginning Motown with Berry Gordy, and Isaac Hayes speaking about writing the hit “Soul Man” for Sam & Dave and writing and performing the theme for “Shaft.” I hope you will be a part of us. Our interviews and evaluations are produced and edited by Amy Salit, Phyllis Myers, Sam Briger, Lauren Krenzel, Heidi Saman, Therese Madden, Ann Marie Baldonado, Thea Chaloner, Seth Kelley and Susan Nyakundi. Our digital media producer is Molly Seavy-Nesper. I am Terry Gross.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “MOTHERLESS CHILDREN”)

CASH: (Singing) Folks say a sister will do when the mom is gone. Folks say a sister will do when the mom is gone.

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